Read 2 points of view of 2 Masters
THE SPEAKING TREE
Wed, March 25th 2009-03-25
Transcending The Need For A Living Guru
Talk: Jiddu Krishnamurti
I wish you had never heard the word ‘guru’. That is a discredited
word... The true meaning is, one who dispels
ignorance, not adds the guru’s ignorance to
you... There have always been western gurus from
ancient times. The priest, acting between you
and whatever he calls god, or the saviour. This
has also existed in
When the speaker asks to think together, he is not setting himself up as a guru. It is not agreeing. It is not to accept the ideas, the conclusions... The speaker in fact has no conclusions. But he says think together, in the sense, let’s both of us observe together. Observe, and let’s find out what it means to observe. That doesn’t give him any authority. You can make him into an authority, which would be unfortunate, but he doesn’t accept any authority, or have any authority... If he is accepting conclusions, ideals and so on... and is accepting disciples then he is in a state of corruption, whoever it is.
So please don’t make me into a guru and i won’t accept you as a disciple because the disciple destroys the guru, the guru destroys the pupil. So there is no sense of authority in this. And when he says think together, it is very simple: if i am prejudiced... and i say let’s think, which means i want to force it on you. But he says constantly, together, which means share together what we are observing, out there and in here. That’s all.
This desire, this longing for somebody to tell us, that is the root of it. Somebody to tell us how to live, how to love, how to think. That is, education has been how to think: you must think this way. And most of us unfortunately, young and old, long for some shelter, the more romantic, the more pleasurable, the more satisfying, the better it is. Apparently we seem to be incapable of standing alone. You know that word ‘alone’ means all one. When you are really alone, not contaminated, not corrupt because you are attached to something. Then you are alone because being free you are that whole human entity, human world, but we are frightened to be alone. We all want to be with somebody, either with a person or with an idea, an image.
You know what it means to be alone? To walk alone in the woods, to walk alone along the river, not hand in hand with somebody or other, but to be alone — solitude, which is different from aloneness. If you are walking by yourself, you are watching the sky, the trees, the birds, the flowers and all the beauty of the earth. Also, perhaps you are watching yourself as you casually watch the woods and the trees and the flowers as you are walking along. Not having a dialogue with yourself, not carrying your burdens with you, you have left those at your home.
So solitude reveals your loneliness, your vanity, your sense of depression. And when you have finished with solitude there is the other — which is not a conclusion, belief, or doing propaganda — telling you what it means to look. That is not propaganda, that is not pushing you in any direction.
When you are directed, guided, then you become a slave and you lose freedom from the very beginning. Freedom isn’t at the end, it is at the beginning, contrary to what some ideologies say, that freedom can only be given to the disciplined who know how to live and so on — they are the dictators who tell us how to live, as the gurus do, so we become their slaves. And where there is no freedom there is no love and truth.
THE SPEAKING TREE
March 24th 2009
It Takes A Living Master To Bring Alive Sutras
A spiritual practice by itself is nothing. You have to breathe life
into it; otherwise, it will not become alive.
This is why traditionally, there is much
reverence for a live guru. Doing yoga without a
living guru is like stillbirth. If you are
looking for exercise, i would say go play
tennis, take a swim, take a walk or climb a
The yogic system was not created as an exercise form. It is a subtle manipulation of your system to allow it to rise to a different level. Yoga means ‘union’. Every asana, every mudra, every way of breathing — is focused towards ultimate union. If it has to become alive, you have to breathe life into it. This is why yoga was given in the form of sutras. The word sutra literally means ‘thread’. Without a thread, there is no garland, but you never wear a garland for its thread. You wear it for the fragrant flowers that it holds. But without a thread, there is no garland.
When Patanjali gave the sutras, he only gave the thread. It has been for each master to put together the flowers, beads, pearls, or diamonds, or whatever else he likes. But Patanjali gave the thread; you cannot change the thread, nobody can because it is a live thread. This is not something that somebody thought up; this is not an idea. This is a very deep observation of life. So you cannot change that because that is how life is made. But what kind of garland one makes out of this thread is left to each master or guru who comes along the way. To make a garland out of this thread, he has to have some stuff of his own; otherwise, it is not possible to do this.
This cannot be done in a yoga studio.This will not happen because you have a certificate in yoga. Some subjectivity has to happen, which needs sadhana. You must hold it above your life, not as your profession, not as your hobby, not as something that you do on the side. This must be more important than your life, only then we let you teach; because without subjectivity, you cannot breathe life into it.
There are many ways to breathe life into the spiritual process. The most rudimentary way is through sacrifice. The simple technology of this is to take a life which is young, a life which is vibrant. When you break that life, it releases a certain amount of energy. There is a whole technology of using that energy to convert it into another form.
Many idols are consecrated by this means. Once you have a consecrated idol, every day you must make the necessary offerings depending upon how that particular energy form is created. Because it is not a toy to play with, it is not a toy for you to work out your emotions. It is not a psychological tool. If you do not keep it up all the time, it will die. Or it will become a receding energy. When it becomes a receding energy, it causes more harm than well-being.
So, constantly sacrifices were done. That is very rudimentary technology. There are more sophisticated ways of doing the same by using one’s own energy system. This needs a certain level of mastery and development of the energy system.
If you were not restricted by the limitations of logic, if all of you were simply open, i would not waste your time and my time talking. Everything that needs to happen, will happen, just by the presence. My work is not about changing your attitude but to touch you at your core. A touch that will leave you transformed. Not changed but transformed.