June 2 1992
A friend of mine possessed a marble 'Krishna' which was ever so
exquisite. I had always heard that Krishna was blue. And I wondered how a 'Blue
Krishna' could be beautiful? But the 'Krishna' that my friend owned had a bluish
hue and was gorgeous!
I wanted to have one, sculptured by the same artist. So I enquired.
They told me that they had acquired 'Blue Krishna' from Jaipur.
So the next time I visited Jaipur, I visited most studios with no luck.
Some time later, a friend of mine called saying that he had a 'Radha Krishna'
sculpted by the artist I was looking for.
I promised that I would pass by and see Them.
However Ma was in Mumbai and as, I was going to visit her, most of my free
time, I was unable to go and see the 'Thakurs'.
My friend called to enquire when I was going to see the 'Thakurs' as he was
holding on to them for me. Since I was not sure when I would be able to
go, and I figured that it was not fair, that I ask him to wait, I said "You
show Them to anyone who might be interested in Them, if They are meant for me
They will come to me.
A few days later, as I went to visit Ma, someone said that Ma was presenting
me with the Thakurs that I had wanted. I was confused, how did that
I was explained that someone had presented the Thakurs to Ma, and had told
her: "Shakun was very keen on having them". So Ma had said "These
are for Shakun!"
I had tears in my eyes. Those tears were of joy, love, gratitude and the
strange ways of God!
I felt so fortunate. Others receive a mantra from their Guru, and I was being
given My Thakurs!
Ma asked me to bring a silk cloth piece during the evening, so that she could
give Them to me. She prayed, performed Puja and Aarti and placed
Them in my receiving arms.
Today They are in my temple and in my heart. And They constantly remind me of
Someone asked me: "Don't you already own a pair of Thakurs of
marble Radha Krishna?"
I answered: "Do you stop at one diamond, if you are offered another
13 July 1992
Came to Pune, to Hari-Krishna Mandir and to Ma.
Ma said "Come and be welcome. My little mother, my little sister, my
child, my friend.
Before that, she had wiped the 'Samaadhi' of Dadaji. She then touched my
forehead and head.
I asked her about the fact that someone connected to me had said that he had
incurred some losses… she said: " That is a falsehood"
Later, I asked Ma: "Are the Thakurs happy?
Ma said: "Yes, they are very happy. You did the right thing. You took
them in the right spirit! ..They hold our life….I am glad They are with you.
Some time back I had asked Ma how come she had so many Thakurs in her Mandir.
She had laughed and said "people bring me their Thakurs to show me. Then
they have a dream where they hear Krishna telling them that He wants to stay on
in Harikrishna Mandir.
That is why I am surrounded by so many Krishnas!"
Thinking of the above incident I said to Ma: "I was afraid that I would
get a dream and my Thakurs would say that They wanted to go to Ma!
Ma laughingly replied: No! I am with Them!"
Then I said to Ma that I made so many mistakes, so to forgive me.
Ma sometimes would tease me and say to me that I was so wise. I would
wince and say: "No Ma, don't say that". This time I added: "Think
of me sometimes."
Ma said: "I think of you very often and very intensely."
AT THE LECTURE
14 July 1992
At the main Mandir hall of Hari Krishna Ma said: "To me a guru is
not a god, not the Creator of the Universe…My Guru said that he was a sincere
seeker…He was ahead of me…to me a guru is one who is on the way, who can
show me the light…" That is exactly how I felt when I asked Ma to lead
Later Ma sang on the tune of one of her favourite Bhajan 'Giridhar Naagar
aajaa..' the following song:
Satguru pyaarey aajaa, phir gaajaa
Geet Hari Key Prem key
Aa mil Satguru gaa
Guru charnan sang pyaar hai, eitbaar hai
Bhav saagar mein naiyaa, tuhee paar laga
11 Sept 1992
Talking about other Spiritual leaders Ma said: "Some have to go out (Out
of India) and meet…to me those will come who are destined to (come to) my
darbaar" Then pointing at me and at Aunty Sushila (Vishnu Priya) she
continued: "and these two are the Maharanis-Presiding Deities"
12 Sept 1992
Ma said to someone else: "You are really nice".
I said to Ma: "Ma do you find anyone not nice?"
Ma said: "No! I believe in people…People expect the guru to be
according to their needs, and they give also accordingly…People go to the jewelers.
If the salesman knows that they are not really interested in buying, he will not
show much interest, but if a real connoisseur comes, the salesman will bring out
his choicest jewels…" ,then she hit my knee affectionately and said:
"Like when she comes I take out my choicest jewels…but then now I have
such few left."
I told Ma that I had been asked by another 'Spiritual person' to do something
which I was not very comfortable with, even though it seemed like a good thing.
I asked Ma what to do. She said: "Be natural!, For a 'saadhak'
like you, it may be good to follow that 'Spiritual man's advice, but I do not
want you getting an ego, if you do what he says!"
Later Ma told us a story. Raman Maharishi never really spoke with his
disciples. Yet once Maharishiji admonished his disciples by saying: "Don't
ask stupid questions".
The disciples questions had been:
Will my sister-in-law get a son or daughter?
Will my nephew pass in his examination?
Will I get Enlightenment?
Ma would often tease me affectionately. She would say: "You are so
Once when I flinched at that remark, she said: "You are not cunning
Another time I asked her whether I should do something about it, and she said:
Shardaji said: "Ma says, 'most people are dumb' it is good to have clever
Sapna said: "Shakun has intuition."
I said: "Yes Ma, I may be intuitive but I am not impulsive. That is not
Ma seemed to agree to that. Yet, she said to me affectionately: "Next time,
come and stay with me."
Whenever I meet a doctor or a spiritual person I know, I generally ask:
"How am I, and how is my family?" Rather than how are you, and how are
So when once Ma affectionately asked about my younger daughter Anuja, and
remarked about what a sweet letter the latter had written to her, I asked Ma:
"Is Anuja alright?"
And Ma replied: "She is very well."
I told Ma that once I had 'seen' a kind of scene in which were present all
the Spiritual Masters that I had come in contact with during this life of
mine. In that scene obviously I felt that I was not as evolved as all the Great
Beings present, and yet there was a desire in me to incarnate and be
contemporaries of these Great Souls.
I 'felt' these Masters encouraging me to take the journey with them, promising
me that they would help me along the way. Needless to say, one of the Masters
was my own Ma Indira Devi.
So I told Ma that I was glad that I have been so guided, yet sad that I had not
Shardaji volunteered: "It is like a glass half empty, half full."
I asked Ma if she believed that my vision was real?
Ma smiled and jokingly quipped: "It is nice to believe that you have come
to be helped. Most people feel, they have come to help!"
Ma was reading out her last chapter of 'Fragrant Memories'. Ma told us about
how someone had told Dadaji that though he had made Aurobindoji, his guru, a
girl who had already been born would come to the Aashram, and after that Dadaji
would get his enlightenment.
I am quite sure that the 'girl' that the 'guru' was referring to was 'Ma'
I told Ma that maybe I shall also write about my 'fragrant memories', to which
Ma replied: " Not so fragrant" (I think that what Ma meant was that
her Guru's memories would be more fragrant than mine!)
It so happens that I am writing about 'My fragrant memories,' Only I am calling
it 'Remembering Ma'.